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Story of an illness by Ramen27 Story of an illness by Ramen27
What is the standard by which we judge something is wrong? Some say, "it's defined by the law". Others say, "it's wrong if it hurts others". But by that logic, what can we say about people who are hurting themselves? It's their choice, but what a lot of people don't seem to get is that many so-called "victimless" acts actually do end up doing harm, to themselves and others.

There are a lot of things out there these days that we're being required to accept or even respect. Stuff like incest, unhealthy fetishes, self-injury, 'unacted upon' paraphilia like zoophilia and pedophilia, and other things. I say, we shouldn't have to.

Does that mean we should get an asshattery permit and should tell people what they can and can't do? Or berate them for doing what they do? No, but it doesn't mean we should have to keep silent about our views on it, either.

One person's "awwwright" is another person's "you've got serious problems and need help". Do we all have to keep silent? I say, as long as the "awwwright" person is broadcasting their shit, the "you need help" person should be able to broadcast as well.


What about the 17 year old, confused teenage girl who, unaware, seeks attention because she was neglected or suffocated by her parents? She goes to parties every weekend and drunkenly sleeps with tons of others, many who use and abuse her. But she doesn't care, she's having fun. She is the drunken party girl, who does anything and everything - unaware that some day she will be unable to look at her own reflection, regretting every night of her youth. Some argue defensively, "it's a woman's choice to sleep with whomever she wants!" but where is the person who really cares, and says "she is hurting herself. Someone should tell her that what she's doing is wrong"?


Or what about the 46 year old father of four who sits alone every night in front of the computer in his basement on deviantART because his obsession with his unhealthy fetish has consumed his life? He ignores his lonely, heartbroken wife of 20 years and never sees his kids. They miss the father they once had, not this grungy, distracted, shell of a man who smells slightly of urine. He has no friends in real life, but has an abundance of health issues because of his life in a computer chair. Some argue, "leave fetish lovers alone, they're not hurting anyone!" but where is the person who really cares, and says "he is hurting himself. Someone should tell him that what he's doing is wrong"?
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the-little-seagull Featured By Owner May 21, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Tell that to people who think fictionkin is harmless
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MagicSpyglass Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2017
So many people are misunderstanding this message!
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GalaxyRailways2199 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Stamps like this are a prime example of why the world's political and social climate is so seemingly hostile. Very little attention is payed to the wording of the stamp, delivering an unclear message and leaving the viewer to fill in the blanks with their own biases. In short, you should think more carefully about stuff like this, because it WILL get you unwarranted backlash and not for the reasons you think.
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KannibalSnakeSAMXIII Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Using!
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Shadow-Glassen Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Using.
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I feel pain looking through these comments.
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CreepyPastaGurl1025 Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It may seem wrong to some people but, you don't have to be a jerk
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hypersonic6 Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2016
So many idiots in the comments that don't get the point of this stamp.
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splatter789 Featured By Owner May 6, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"Or what about the 46 year old father of four who sits alone every night in front of the computer in his basement on deviantART because his obsession with his unhealthy fetish has consumed his life? He ignores his lonely, heartbroken wife of 20 years and never sees his kids. They miss the father they once had, not this grungy, distracted, shell of a man who smells slightly of urine. He has no friends in real life, but has an abundance of health issues because of his life in a computer chair. Some argue, "leave fetish lovers alone, they're not hurting anyone!" but where is the person who really cares, and says "he is hurting himself. Someone should tell him that what he's doing is wrong"?

dont hurt yourself with that reach
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 24, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Went WAY over your head...
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splatter789 Featured By Owner May 25, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
explain it to me then. i want to understand how one or two examples of a fetish hurting someone invalidates the many examples of people enjoying fetishes and genuinely not hurting anyone, not even themselves. i want to understand how a few examples of people taking it too far with a fetish invalidate entire communities of people who simply enjoy the fetish in their free time, and only with people who consent to fetish play. i want to understand, so explain it to me.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Answer me this, why is it against the law to not wear a seat belt?
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splatter789 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
seat belt laws are in place to make sure that the driver of a car and any passengers survive in the event of a car crash, but no, you're not going to give me a bullshit comparison between fetishes and seat belt laws. someone having a genuinely harmless fetish where all parties are consenting to everything involved and no lasting damage is done other than a bruise or smth is nothing like not wearing a seat belt, where you could be paralyzed, fall into a coma, or fucking DIE. give me one case where someone has died from a fetish.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You missed my point. what I'm saying is whether you where a seat-belt or not, you can die from a head on crash. But they tell you to wear a seat belt to what? Lessen that chance. They are telling you to do something with your body to protect you, cause you don't always know what is best for your body. But no, most people with a fetish let it take control of them, to the point where it can kill them. Ever heard of Erotic asphyxiation(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_a…)? Having a fetish isn't bad, devoting yourself to that fetish tho, makes you a horny lolcow. A fetish is something that turns someone one. So to devote your life to that fetish is no better than a person whoring them out themselves.
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splatter789 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
erotic asphyxiation is a form of breathplay, which, in a safe, ideal environment, is practiced with a partner who knows what they're doing, and a safeword would be used to make sure no harm is done. likewise, in safe ideal environments, fetishes are practiced with people who know what they are doing, and a safeword established in case someone needs to stop at any point. sure, if people take it too far, it can be harmful, but as a whole, having a fetish is not dangerous or harmful
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You missed the point of the stamp and my replies, the whole point is that having a fetish is not dangerous or harmful, devoting yourself to it IS.
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Gavin-The-Bunny Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2016
I think you're over thinking.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 24, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Why under think tho?
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Shamrock95 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
"Or what about the 46 year old father of four who sits alone every night in front of the computer in his basement on deviantART because his obsession with his unhealthy fetish has consumed his life? He ignores his lonely, heartbroken wife of 20 years and never sees his kids. They miss the father they once had, not this grungy, distracted, shell of a man who smells slightly of urine. He has no friends in real life, but has an abundance of health issues because of his life in a computer chair. Some argue, "leave fetish lovers alone, they're not hurting anyone!" but where is the person who really cares, and says "he is hurting himself. Someone should tell him that what he's doing is wrong"?"

:rofl: Careful, there. You're going to strain something if you keep stretching like that.
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Shamrock95 Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2017
What argument? That gigantic straw man ain't an argument.
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Shamrock95 Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2017
How many people do you think are letting fetishism take over their lives?
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Shamrock95 Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2017
Ah, so we've descended to ad hominem already. Thanks. Now I know not to waste my time engaging with you further.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
But he's right
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wwwarea Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017
No he's not. If someone wants to have a "unhealthy" fetish, it's a human right. If you force someone against their will (Like you support right now), that's a violation of human rights and is hypocritical.
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pearlmethysite Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2017  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
end your existance
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wwwarea Featured By Owner Edited Jan 14, 2016
Calling something "wrong" out of fear isn't a valid argument.. Plus this whole stamp is very stupid.

Plus, people have a right to 'hurt themselves' because it's there body so it's not wrong.

Also it disgusts me to see many favorites for this stamp.
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Shadow-Glassen Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Idiots like you are precisely why this stamp exists in the first place.
If it wasn't wrong to cut yourself, hang yourself, or burn yourself, why the hell do you think there are laws about it, huh?
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wwwarea Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017
What I'm saying is that morality is about protecting people.
What I find wrong is violating the will of another.

I agree cutting self is bad.. but morally wrong? No.
Why should someone go to jail for only harming themselves? I thought laws were made to protect others?

If I hurt myself (maybe out of rage), I refuse to have my rights violated because someone is offended by that? (Helping someone is fine, but jail for harming myself? WHAT.)
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Shadow-Glassen Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Right. Let me give you another example: Bestiality. Technically it's not hurting anyone, so it should be okay, by your logic.
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wwwarea Featured By Owner Edited Feb 3, 2017
If an animal consents, then it's not morally wrong. If an animal doesn't consent, and the person does it anyway, then it's wrong.
Why are you comparing this to that? We are talking about self-harm, not harming another animal (Which is wrong too).

If you're talking about fantasy, then that's not wrong.
If someone wants to marry an object, even if that makes that person's life worse, then that's a right. Forcing someone to stop counts as moral wrong maybe.
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Shadow-Glassen Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Animals can't talk, therefore, they can't consent. There's a reason it's taboo...
If you want to protest the laws further, maybe you should take it up with Congress and see how much they care. A situation where everybody does whatever the fuck they want is called anarchy. If you want that, I hear there's a lovely place called Syria.
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wwwarea Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017
If an animal starts humping someone, then that has to be consent. Calling that rape while it looks like both are consenting doesn't make sense.
I've heard evidence of a goat actually getting on to a human. Talking is a bad argument because even some humans don't talk.

Law =/= Morality.
But I don't know any laws where self-harm is illegal (except for some drug laws).
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Shadow-Glassen Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
No, but we have this thing called sign language...
Ugh... I'm done with this... Talking about this stuff honestly makes me sick.
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GARDENINGBLOBS Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017
Hey, I starve myself and only eat a slice of bread a day, but it isn't hurting anyone!!!!111

You're pathetic.
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wakaflockaflame1 Featured By Owner May 24, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Are you kidding me? You do know self harm is bad right?
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jabbathemutt Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your not required to respect their opinions or their fetishes but you don't bash people who HAVE it.
That would saying to an meat eater "Its still wrong!" Vegans usually DONT respect their choices about meat.

Most fetishes are HARMLESS like the babyfur, vore, inflation, bondage, etc.
I hate incest (Unless its slibingxslibing as its only drawn and only fictional characters)

"Some argue, "leave fetish lovers alone, they're not hurting anyone!" but where is the person who really cares, and says "he is hurting himself. Someone should tell him that what he's doing is wrong"?" HURTING someone because they a "fetish" is wrong to me. So what? It's harmless along its not  HURTING anyone

If someone dared to have a incest fetish (If its fictional), I wouldn't mind.
you sound too judgmental here
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HodgePodgeDynasty Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2015
I don't like this stamp. It's ambiguous. No one can properly define wrong or right so pairing it with the adage above makes it sound judgemental.
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Calychoco-Meisaki Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you for expressing exactly what I feel.
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Lavenderdadragon14 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
can I use this stamp?
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NiftyNautilus Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
Ripple effect, people! Don't let it get you, your thoughts, and your loved ones!
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MediocreSon Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2015  Student Digital Artist
hot damn that was smart
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VanillaBark Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2015  Student Digital Artist
found u.
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TheDarkWepon Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
By definition if its not hurting anyone its not wrong.
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